Facedown in the Desert – Shabbat Night Live – 04/05/19

Facedown in the Desert – Shabbat Night Live – 04/05/19

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story that Michael Rood tells of filmmaker Tim Mahoney
and his companions being held at gunpoint by
Bedouins in the Saudi desert, just because they wanted
to take some film shots of the real Mount Sinai. Well, tonight you’ll hear the
real story from Tim himself because it’s the end of the sixth day, the sun is set and this
is Shabbat Night Live. (city bustling) (uplifting music) – As they take this
message out into the world. – Well, Shabbat shalom to our fans. Welcome to Shabbat Night Live. We’ve got a little bit of a special set for you here today as you can see, and a bunch of special things coming up, one of which is it’s a
brand new Gregorian month for first few days of April here. And that means we have
a brand new love gift to tell you about, we’ll do
that in just a few minutes, but more importantly,
is the new moon sighting for the month of the Aviv, or the renewed moon sighting that is, and that is coming up this weekend, either Saturday or Sunday. We’ve planned for both in
your brand new astronomically and agriculturally-corrected
biblical Hebrew calendar, you’ll see that we have
month of the Aviv here, if it’s seen on Saturday
night, or on Sunday night. And it all depends on
what happens this weekend, whether they see it in Israel. And to give us a little
more detail on that please welcome the founder of A Rood Awakening
International, Michael Rood. – Ah, thanks Scott.
– How are you sir? – It’s great to be here with you. Yes, we had a Passover celebration of apocalyptic proportions.
– We did. – It was a messianic hoot.
(Scott laughing) And this was in the 13th month
that we actually did this, which was scheduled ahead of time. And now we have the real Passover time and the Feast of Unleavened Bread because we don’t do
unleavened bread early. But we did our Passover
celebration and that was great. And so now we are looking forward to Passover this next month. And and also we’re going to
be releasing this real soon, which is the teachings and
the whole Passover event. But Nehemia Gordon and
John Locke’s teachings, this is absolutely essential
for everyone to get this. This was the verification
of what I’d spent now more than 40 years doing,
the chronological gospels or chronology and the order of things according to the ancient church fathers, and the ancient text and
this ladies and gentlemen, and you’ve got to get this. – Indeed, if you think you’ve
heard it all from Nehemia, I mean, this was brand new stuff I had never heard him say before. And having John up there
was all the better. I mean, it verified everything. It was a really great teaching, there’s actually three
more than three hours that they had up there with
you teaching all this stuff. – That’s right, that’s
right, dealing with John 6:4 from the perspective of
the early church fathers, and then you’re going to see manuscripts that I never thought I
would ever see in my life, you’re gonna see the higher resolution of those manuscripts as you get this. And of course, Nehemia’s teaching on
the waters of salvation, the archeological finds
in the land of Israel, and also Mount Sinai that put this whole thing together, they’re fantastic, fantastic stuff. – Yeah, so that is coming very, very soon. Watch for that on our website. And now speaking of coming also very soon, we have the series that are
you going to see tonight, another episode of your
series with Tim Mahoney, and people are going to be able to get both Tim Mahoney’s
Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus, and Patterns of Evidence:
The Moses Controversy. – That’s right. Both of those movies are
going to be packaged together along with the interviews
that we did together, which is going to be a real treat. You need to get your friends or family, your communities together and watch these. We were able to watch it as a debut the week that it debuted nationally. That’s what we got to watch
at our Passover celebration. And now coming out very soon is going to be this entire package. You need to get everyone together because the whole idea was
to have it for Passover and now it’s happening.
– Right, right. Now, that is coming out of course because of theatrical release, there are certain rules and
regulations regarding that – Right.
– So I believe we are getting it in our hands April 22. And then from that point, we
can start shipping it out. So if you’re a pre ordering it, that is what the delay is all about. – Okay, very good. We are glad to hear that.
– Yeah. So now, I know tonight
you’re talking to Timothy, specifically, or Tim, about the incident where he had gone to Saudi Arabia. And you’ve told the story many times, I’d like you to tell again, where they just went to take
some photographs and video and they got in a bit of trouble. – Yeah, well, it’s a little
bit more involved than that. I got a call from Jim and Penny Caldwell, telling me that they are going over, they’re taking Tim Mahoney
and a number of other people, and also some political entities having to do with the State Department that they got the permits to go in to the area of Mount
Sinai, the land of medium. And they kind of bluffed their way up on to the side of Mount
Sinai and they found themselves down in a ditch with gun barrels
on the back of their heads. And it was very intense. And when Jim and Penny got back, they said, “That’s the last time.” They’d proven what they need
to, that was the last time but it turns out that the Saudi government was protecting this site
and now we have the video, the high-resolution videos,
the drone footage, 4K, of the whole site and the Saudi government who has been showing Shabbat Night Live on national television in Saudi Arabia, they know this is a mountain of Moses. And Moses’ family, (mutters)
family is still there. They all know this. And it looks like it’s going
to be open to the world, – Wow!
– To the public and so again, even as we speak right now, they are over there with
underwater robotic drones in the Yam Suph, going
in from the Saudi side. So we are so thankful
to the Saudi government, we’re praying for them
that this continues on, and that we can get this out to the world. And thankfully, they protected it. – Yes, indeed. I love the interview you
did with Tim on this. – Well, it was exciting.
– Tonight, and you’ll hear that he said he was scared. I mean, it was a real situation here, we’re not talking some kind of bluff. This was real guns and
they were in trouble. – Yeah, I understand
that one of the peoples spent a couple weeks in a hospital kind of a nervous breakdown afterwards. I mean, to think that
you were gonna be dead and face down in a ditch,
that’s can be traumatic. – Indeed, indeed. And one of the ways that
you can support this program so you can see such
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at monthlylovegift.com. Hurry, offer ends April 30. (gentle music) – Traditions that we inherited from Babylon through Constantine, have us occasionally
with a little plastic cup and a little round wafer
in a church service having what is called communion. But Yeshua was not having
communion with his disciples. It was the last meal
before his crucifixion, which happened at the
time the Passover lambs were being sacrificed
the following morning. Yeshua took this opportunity
to explain something that had been embedded
in the Israelite culture for then, over 1,000 years. Malkitzedek brought forth
bread and wine to Avraham and he blessed the Most High saying (speaks in foreign
language) Yehovah, (speaks in foreign language), blessed are you Yehovah, our
Elohim, King of the Universe who brings forth bread from the earth. Yeshua said, “This represents my body “which will be broken for you. “As often as you do it, you
do it in remembrance of me. And so we break this bread, and we do it in remembrance of him. Likewise, Yeshua took the cup and he blessed the Most
High with that blessing that Melchizedek, bless the Most High, (speaks in foreign language) Blessed are you Yehovah, or Elohim, the King of the Universe, The Creator of the Fruit of the Vine, Yeshua said this represents my shed blood, which will be poured out
for the remission of sin. I will not drink another drop
of the fruit of the vine, you take my cup and
divide it among yourselves because I won’t drink it until
I drink it again with you in my father’s kingdom. The marriage supper of the
Lamb, Yeshua lift this cup and he will say (speaks foreign language) to life everlasting. And until then, we remember what he’s done and remember that marriage
supper of the Lamb, get ready. (spooky music) Shalom Torah fans, it
is now been two weeks since Tim Mahoney’s latest
film, Patterns of Evidence: The Moses Controversy, came
out in over 900 theaters across the United States of America. I asked him to come back
because he was in the middle of telling a story in our
last Shabbat Night Live of the time that he and several others of the adventure class
went over to Saudi Arabia to the real Mount Sinai. Tim, good to have you back with us. Thanks for being with us. We could sit and I could
listen to your stories week after week, month after month and thankfully you’re
putting these out on movies in movie theaters that will
be going out around the world. We were talking about the Mount Sinai, that adventure as we signed off last time, please take it up again. Tell us about that adventure. Where Jim and Penny Caldwell,
Lennart Moller, Aaron Sen and – Dr. Glen Fritz.
– Glen Fritz joins you in that adventure
where I do believe that you ended up with a gun barrel in the back your head down in a ditch. But tell us what happened before that. – Well, actually, the idea, one time I’ll share this with you, I was sitting in my living room in 2002 and Dr. Lennart Moller who I’d just met, I had then asked him to come from Sweden, and we were discussing all this and he had written a book
called The Exodus Case. And so I was very interested
in what he was talking about. And I started learning more
about different scholars and different archeologists
and different Bible explorers and around why it was one of those. And hearing all this different information and trying to sort it out, well, some people were
saying where Mount Sinai was was at different locations
than other people. And then this hot topic, we always use the word
hot topic of Mount Sinai being in Saudi Arabia, it’s hot. And he said to me, “I think
I’m going to go there.” – [Michael] Oh, Lennart hadn’t been there at that point in time.
– No. And he said–
– Now, I know that Ron Wyatt had really conveyed a lot
of material to Lennart and Lennart, as a scientist, he was with Karolinska
Institute in Stockholm, Sweden, that understands the laboratory that awards a Nobel Prize in science. So this is real science. And so Ron has laid his into his hands a lot of this evidence. So he’s searching at it from a purely scientific background then. – Yes, I think that, and I’ve learned about the relationship, if you’re talking with Lennart. And so Lennart was, he had written books and he took it from a
scientific standpoint, and as a DNA research scientist, and he then started to
lay out the information. And I don’t know all the history of that, but when I came into it, I believe there was a
book that was written, and I met Lennart after that. And he’s told me then that he felt that he was going to go to
Saudi Arabia at some time and would I come with him. And I remember sitting there thinking, wow, what I’ve heard about this, I don’t see how that
would ever be possible. And literally, within one year, doors opened up for us in 2003
to go and we get officially, so we officially were allowed to go there. Well as we said, once we got
into the location to the area, it’s like people from
one part of a country going to another part of country, the two different parts of
the country of Saudi Arabia didn’t know what the
other one new or whatever. So the people from the East
took us to the Northwest. And that’s because they were interested in seeing that part of
their nation as well. And that’s when we got into the challenges that everyone gets into. – Well, I got to hear a little
bit about it after the fact. But Jim and Penny Caldwell called me and told me that they were
going in to pray for him, but said, “Don’t say anything, “we’re going in with Tim
Mahoney, Lennart Moller “and Aaron Sen and the others,” and said they were going to do it but I knew better than to
say anything about this, because I knew how dangerous it could be. And you actually went in there with them and you had really documentation
to be able to go in there. You were going with a former
U.S. official with the embassy and you had permits to go there. – Yeah, we were supposed
to be there and everything, but just because you’re
supposed to be there doesn’t mean you’re supposed to be there. (both laughing)
It doesn’t matter. So that’s what that was
one of the challenges is that we had the paperwork to be there but the people that live there
didn’t want us to be there. And then where do you go because you’re supposed
to be certain places? And so we were able to be at the mountain, we actually walked through and looked at it all the pillars and went up and climbed up–
– So these are the pillars that are down by the corral
dam, like where the altar was. So you saw those firsthand? – Yes, yep. And so that began, we climbed
up inside, easy to climb, because–
– So you went past the fence, you went up onto the mountain,
not up on the Mount Sinai? – Yep. And the fence was washed out
in certain and certain places. So it was kind of like open. And yes, there–
– And so you pretended you could not see the sign, the archeological site
by royal decree or what? – Put it like this, we
were allowed to be there and so, I was of good
conscious, I’d had no sense that we were doing something
that wasn’t allowed, because we were allowed to be there and we were interested
and it was an opportunity to build relationships
with people from America and people from Saudi.
– Oh, wonderful. – And so we felt that we had permission. And the Caldwells were astounded, because (laughs) that wasn’t
the way it had been before when they were trying to do this. But it wasn’t until we came down, when came down from the mountain, that things then became more difficult. And because I was the
person with the camera gear, and my documentary, I guess, professionalism was there, I mean, I was taking shots, I was building the whole
story, I was doing that, I wasn’t the normal tourist. – Right, it’s obvious with
a camera gear that you have, that you are a professional, this isn’t somebody on vacation. – Right, right. And I had asked for permission for me to go there with camera gear, and I was going permission to go there. I just said I was interested in it and when we came down
from the mountain then, that night they really wanted
to know why I was there. And I said, “Well, I’m
interested in this area. “I’m interested in the story of Moses.” And that’s when–
– Who are the they that? – Well, it’s the people that we came with, because they were being feeling
pressure from the locals and they didn’t know that
there was any connection to Moses at that time. – Okay, so you know where you were. – Yeah, (laughs).
– Mount Sinai, holder to the golden calf, all this, but they didn’t know what
you were doing there. – Right, there was a
big surprise for them. So once the locals told him
that this might be connected or related to Moses and the Israelites, that’s when it became
difficult for them as well because here they had these
Americans and Europeans camping, we’re out there, we got tents and sleeping at the same
location where all this happened, we were there a couple days
and then we had to move on, then we moved on into other locations, ’cause we were trying to
see all the different sites that the route from the sea that the Israelites might have taken. – Now, I usually don’t ask questions about how you feel about things, that doesn’t usually interest me so much, but I really have to ask you the question. You’re camping there at the site where Israel camped at
the base of this mountain, what did that feel like?
– Well, you start to, let’s say whenever you’re
at a location like this, it does make a difference to be there and just to be in an
environment and to be there. They felt, if there’s one thing it felt, well, it felt like a very ancient
place, I’ll tell you that. Especially when you look at the rock art and you look at the the different, and it’s also a very isolated place, it’s not easy to get to. And you can imagine that it’s possible that people hadn’t been there. It’s not where people travel normally, it’s not an easy place to get to and it’s not a place
that, that at this time, you would have thought that there’d be a lot of people living. I mean, so I think it’s been protected, I guess is the way the sense that I had was that it’s been so
isolated for so long, that in a sense, it was preserved. That was an idea that was there. And then you could
almost, obviously knowing, I can imagine that this is
where the tents would have been. If this is the site for the Israelites, if this is where they were,
then you look and say, well, where would they
have built the tabernacle, and where were these different pieces of, well, I shouldn’t say pieces,
but where were the tribes, where would they have stayed? And so you could just look at all that and you just have a sense of it. At the same time, there’s
a sense of concern, because I came with this understanding that it’s not easy to be here. And at first, it was like, wow, this is wonderful that
we’re here and it’s so easy and then it started to
become very, very difficult because we were not welcomed at that time. – When you speak of the remoteness we’re reminded of as they
came from the Yam Suph, they traveled and they got to an oasis, where the 12 wells and the 70 palms, and that’s the first watering, or place of watering that they came to, Amara was just before that, the bitter waters where
they couldn’t drink. And so then after the 12 wells, then they come to the Split Rock, and they’re out of water again, the entire nation is thirsting
and so the water is produced out of the smitten rock at that point. And then it’s another eight
miles, as I understand, to where you were camping at Mount Sinai. So it is a circuitous
route to get to that place, to the camping site. – Yeah, and it’s beautiful, by the way. I mean, when you’re in the
desert in an area like that, it’s very, very beautiful. The desert is a beautiful place. I never thought I would have said that, but there’s something very
drawing about these areas. But you also realize that
it can be very dangerous, as far as the extremes of needing water. Where would you get
something to eat or drink? And you understand how
desperate that can be. But I think that the thing
is that from the camp site, then we went towards, as I remember it, we headed towards the Split Rock area that the Caldwells had
identified as the Split Rock. And when you hear me
talk about these places, I know for a lot of people,
they’ve made that decision, okay, this is the Split
Rock, this is Mount Sinai, these are different places, and as an investigative documentary, I’m looking at all the different mountains and I’m comparing them and saying, well, where does the pattern fit the best? And so originally, when I
started making films about this, I was only making one point of view, which was I was covering just the crossing side
at a particular place. And over time, I started to realize that people actually don’t
even want to watch a film if they think it’s only one point of view. Because they think that
that’s just your propaganda. And so what became clear to me was that I needed to show you the options, so that you could look at– – Kind of a skeptic’s
viewpoint or overview. – Yeah, maybe it didn’t happen, or if it did, Where did it happen happen? And if it did, when did it happen and what is the evidence there? And what we found is that in
a Patterns of Evidence film, the goal is to give you
freedom to make a choice ’cause sometimes if you
only have one choice, you don’t feel like
you’re free to make it. And so, as we’re working now, as we move forward in these films, Patterns of Evidence, you know, colon, we had The Exodus, The Moses Controversy, now, The Red Sea Miracle, working title. – [Michael] That’s the
next one that’s coming out. – And then Journey to Mount Sinai. And what was hard was, I had been saving this
material for a long time, and not really saving up but still, I mean, in a sense, it’s been saved, but it’s been sitting there as we’ve been trying to understand and develop the right way to tell a story and the right time to tell the story. And I never felt the
freedom to move forward. I tried many times. You know this too, I made two films before the first Patterns
of Evidence film came out. – Yeah, and I thought it is brilliant, you got to get it out, get
it out soon as possible because I’m feeling the urgency as we get older it’s like, these are the greatest evangelical tools. This is what I’m thinking
that we’ve ever had. This proves the veracity
of the Hebrew Scriptures. And so, I thought man,
get this out but yeah, actually, what you’ve done is laying a much more secure foundation, by giving all the skeptics
all their viewpoints in there. So everyone can make up their own mind. – If you have the opportunity to basically really explore a subject by giving the different viewpoints, it’s like building a
fortress because now you know you’re not just picking the first thing, you’ve really looked at it. And what it does to a person’s
faith and what it (chuckles), I can tell you that it
frees people to believe because otherwise you’re thinking, well, I can’t make a decision yet ’cause I don’t have all the information. And the approach is if
like, as I said before, I’m going to risk the story,
I’m gonna risk the Bible, and what I mean by risk is maybe it’s not true is what you’re saying, but what if I’m showing you
something and maybe it is? Are you willing to accept if
I show a pattern of evidence that might be true? And am I willing to accept
that there’s no evidence that it might not be true? Now, obviously we have faith but these events are said
to have happened, right? So we believe a lot of things by faith, but many people are saying
none of it’s true (laughs). And we’re saying but wait a minute, what is the Bible saying,
let’s go back and look. And so far, we’ve found
incredibly powerful patterns. – Mm-hmm. Now, you took all this film gear, you took your crew up there,
you’ve got all these people that are searching for these sites and did you come back with any of that? – It’s a great question. What happened was was that when we went to the Split Rock, that’s when we really
got into a situation. We were there for a few
hours filming and I tell you, I think I filmed some of the greatest, I really worked hard at
getting amazing photography, and was able to do a great job. I felt really good about it. I worked really hard for several weeks, we were in Saudi for two weeks. So it’s– – Yeah, that’s a very hostile environment out there in the desert like that, no manna to depend on the next day. – Yeah. And I was under a lot of pressure, because I was the guy with the camera. I had another filmmaker with me, a friend of mine that came, Rick Arlside, but between the two of us, we were filming and we
had all this footage, and when we got to the Split Rock area, that’s when the locals said, “Leave in five minutes or
we’ll kill you.” (laughs) It was one of those leave or else. And I remember Rick said, “I
don’t think they mean it.” I said, “Rick, we’re not
gonna wait to find out.” I said, “We need to go.” – And so you really felt
that it was a death threat that they were gonna do something about it if you didn’t leave.
– Yeah, I was concerned. And so, we all had to pack up and there was a certain
amount of confrontation, this is back in 2002 or I’m sorry, 2003. So it was a lot of stress. And so eventually we
went to down to the sea, which would be the Gulf of
Aqaba and looked at the areas where the Israelites if they
crossed they would have come up and we filmed all that, we
were hoping to do some diving. – You had Lennart Moller with?
– Yeah. – Who had in 2001, he was the one that took the robotic dive cameras down and filmed these coral-encrusted
remains of chariots. And so he knew where to take you then. – Yeah. And the corals were there too. I mean, they had gone, and they had been trying to work out these in all the different
trips that they had had. And then Dr. Glen Fritz was
also gathering information ’cause he’s written several books now on this whole topic of the Exodus. So what happened was that
after at the end of it, we didn’t leave with any footage. They asked for it and all I
had was still photography. And we thought maybe we would get it back and year after year,
we were hoping, months, or first it was maybe in a
month or then two months, three months, five months, eventually it became we’re
never seeing this footage. And that was sad. But I’d worked with the Caldwells, I had filmed them a lot
and I had their footage but it wasn’t until later when other people like
Andrew Jones was out filming and we contacted each other,
I’m not sure who contacted who but I was able to work with him. – Well, that’s where the story
takes on a different turn. And we’re gonna come back
to that in just a minute. For the last 50 years, I have had the burden
of the prophet Jeremiah. And as his ministry from the
Almighty was given to him as a prophet who would tear down, rip out, rip up, tear up, and then
to build and to plant, I have been doing my best to tear down all of the pagan traditions that we have inherited
through Gentile churchianity. And then to build and to plant and bringing people back
to the feast of Yehovah, back to prophetic shadow
pictures of good things to come that the Almighty told the end of time from the very beginning, the very feast that Yeshua
went up to Jerusalem and fulfilled and in
the book of Revelation will fulfill in the
fall feasts to the Lord as he prepares for his return. Ladies and gentlemen, we
are getting the message of the gospel of the
kingdom out to the world and we’re doing it by way of broadcast in which you’re watching right now. Whenever you’re watching it is because we’re continuing to do the work that we were ordained to do. This is the time of the prophet Jeremiah as he reaches into this generation, because it’s the word of the Almighty that came to him to Israel
and now it’s coming to you. I need you to stand with us, help us to get this message out, do your part, you’ve got just two minutes, that’s all you’ve got. Make your decision now
and thank you for helping. (gentle music) So this whole adventure into
Mount Sinai, in that area, you have all of the video footage that you spent so much time and energy on, And it was all taken from you. And then the only thing
I saw was the photograph that was taken with Jim and Penny sitting in the Split Rock at Rephidim. And that is what I’ve blown up And it’s actually here in our office because this is the Mount
Sinai museum as far as I can do but how did that go down for
you with all this material that you’d work so hard
being taken away from you? – It was puzzling to be honest with you. I mean, remember, I started this project, really started it earlier on in 2001 with a search for the Red Sea
crossing, The Exodus Revealed, thinking I was gonna be involved just helping them distribute that film, which led me into going to Egypt, which then led me the next year to meeting Jim and Penny Caldwell, and then this door opening up
for us to go to Saudi Arabia. And in the very beginning,
I was struggling with how do I deal with this tension of this sort of dangerous place where people think the
biblical stories are happening, I mean, when we say that
it’s difficult to get there, you can’t talk about it. I talked to scholars, they say, yeah, there’s all sorts of the stories of this, but we can’t talk about it,
we can’t investigate it. And so then how do you
make a story about that? And people did then, they started making short films about this and saying that there
was something over there and that there were pillars, that there was an altar
that there was a cave that could be the Cave of Elijah. And so there’s the Split Rock. And so as I’m working through this, trying to understand
how to tell this story, we’re meeting other people. And that’s when Dr. Kim comes
along and we hear about him and the fact that he
went to this location. And for people who don’t
know who Dr. Kim is– – [Michael] Tell us the
story about Dr. Kim. – Yeah. Well, Dr. Kim, was a physician, I think, more in the chiropractic world. And he actually ended
up going to Saudi Arabia and he served for one of
the top princes in Saudi. And Dr. Kim was like a son to this Prince and he was his personal physician. But then when he heard
about this possibility that Mount Sinai was there, he wanted to go see it for himself. And so he made numerous trips and he ran into some very
difficult situations there as well but he kept feeling drawn
to go back to this mountain. He couldn’t explain it,
like it didn’t make sense, but he kept going back with
his family and his wife, and it was very dangerous. And people warned him, this is
like the Wild West out there, anything could happen to you. And that’s his story to tell
but he he almost lost his life because it’s just dangerous
situation out there. – Well, we hope to have him on
to be able to tell his story and we do have the photograph of him in which he is right by the rock that has the menorah
engraving on this rock. And so as far as we know, it is the earliest record of the menorah, and it is there in Northwest Saudi Arabia. – Yes. And that’s what I was interested in, getting his testimony
and interviewing him. And there are things that
happened in this journey, some that I can share and
some that I can’t share, and I’ve talked with you about that, because of all sorts of, (laughs) I mean, people say well, why can’t, they’re just– – Yeah, yeah, people with
what we’re doing here, we’re giving them just a brief fraction of what we can talk about, but what we can’t talk
about could fill volumes, and hopefully in the future, it will be released to where
you can share these volumes. – Right, right. At times, they’ll be a time
when we can talk more about it, the unusual things of
Providence that happened as well as some of the intrigue, but there’s a reason why you
don’t share certain things is because you want to be careful, whenever you’re dealing in
other parts of the world, you just have to be wise
about what you talk about and how things go forward, and we plan to continue
to work in those areas. So all that said, that there are times when
people go before their time and then the doors close. And sometimes that could be said that had we been able to get
archaeologist to certain places before it was a hot potato, you could have dogged and found more out. But if you get there too fast
and then they think it’s this, then you’ll never be able to dig there. And that is one of the challenges that happened when Ron Wyatt was caught. And this is what he told them
what they thought this was, that’s when the the area, I have archaeologists and
say I could have dug there and then after the fact
you could interpret it, but now we’ll never be
able to deal with that unless something changes. – Yeah, and things aren’t
changing now as we both know, and I think this is a good
time to express our gratitude to the Saudi government for keeping this and protecting this area. You felt that you had to go
in even though you had permit and it was dangerous to go
into is dangerous for a reason. Because people cannot go in there and defile the place, cannot
make off with the articles and now we know the Shabbat Night Live is actually been shown on
Saudi Arabian television with Arabic subtitles all
as we lay this stuff out. So they know that it’s
there and they have plans that may be positive for us
to be able to get back in and for the whole world to
be able to see these things, which I think that you’ll
be very much instrumental in helping to get those
out if that happens. Yes, and that’s what I’ve heard as well. And so there’s a timing to things. And I think if you read in Scripture, it was appointed, at this time, (laughs) and that phrase comes out,
there’s a particular time when things are supposed to
happen and we get impatient, we want to be done. And I remember sitting
in church one Sunday and asking for forgiveness
about not getting this done. And I felt in my heart it was
like this film will be done when I say it’s finished, not when you’re tired of working on it. What you’re building is
a fortress, not a facade. If you build a facade, people will surround it
and knock it over it. But if you build a fortress,
it’ll be strong in all sides and when it rises up into the
culture, people can attack it, but they won’t be able to destroy it, because it’s a fortress, they’ll
just have to deal with it. And that understanding, I had that understanding in year one, actually, at the end of year one. It took 11 more years before
Patterns of Evidence came out because I kept trying
to make it in my own way and then I had to
basically find a new way. You know the phrase, a new
wine and a new wine skin, we sometimes look at the
past and wanna repeat it, but if it’s really being guided you have to trust that this
new wineskin is gonna work. And because there’s no model
for it, it’s a whole new thing. – Now, there was something that transpired not only was all of the video evidence that you secured taken away
from you, but then I found that there was a young man back many years before, decades before, that was in junior high that actually missed a
lecture by Ron Wyatt, his father went to it and came back. And from that point on, when he came back and saw
some of the video evidence, it became such a burden to him, and it would never let him go. And now I guess in his 30s,
he’s actually gone over there was able to get in with drones, high-definition drone footage and he’s come back with
stuff that wasn’t available when you were and this
is now going to be part of Patterns of Evidence the next movie. – Right. Are we talking about the
same person which is– – Andrew Jones, I think
we can say it publicly. – Yeah. Andrew is really, really a great guy. And he’s been able to go
there and a very winsome way. He’s a really, really likable person. And he’s worked hard at this and I contacted him and I just said, “Hey, could we work together, “could you explain to him a
little bit of what I was doing?” And we all have our roles to play. I’ve had to work hard over the years to be a documentary filmmaker to make theatrical documentaries,
that get into theaters. And that’s taken literally almost 40 years for me to learn how to do this and to make them and to weave
in the story of the Bible and my skillset is to meet archeologists, and Egyptologists, and Bible
scholars, and talk with them and be generous with them. And to understand what they’re saying, even if they’re saying that
they don’t believe in the Bible, I need to understand why. Because their reasons are important for us to basically deal with those questions. And so that’s my skillset. I really feel like I’m a weaver. And I’m taking a journey personally, to go and ask these questions, and try to see is there
a solution to this? So in a way, the audience
is going along with me to whether it’s Israel, or
Saudi, or Egypt, or Jordan, or Oxford, or Cambridge in England, and I’m gonna take them along with me to investigate these questions. So that together, we can find answers. And I’m not going to be
afraid of the questions. In other words, the big questions that they say that they aren’t there, then I say, okay, well, let’s go see if we can find an
answer to that question. And what we found so far is
that there’s so much more, it’s just huge. The first film that I made, when I realized that I needed to focus on the pattern of evidence in Egypt, the first film I made only
had about three minutes. So that first film that I made, turned into two hours
of patterns of evidence. So sometimes I think we
want to get ahead of God and we want to rush in
and just do something. And had I done that, you and
I wouldn’t be sitting here, I would just have been another thing and I didn’t want it to be that. So I had to be patient and wait and try to understand
what’s the next thing that I’m supposed to be doing. – I think we can both recognize
that this is not our story, it is his story. And he is the one from heaven that is weaving all these things together. As I say, I wasn’t in the Garden Tomb, I wasn’t digging with Ron Wyatt, I didn’t go over to Mount Sinai
with Jim and Penny Caldwell, I’ve been trying to faithfully tell the
story of their adventures and as you have attempted
to tell their story, now the Almighty has
bought other people in in the next generation
who are coming along and tying this with, as
you say, with Andrew, and he brought a Ryan
Morrow over to Saudi Arabia, and his mother over to
Saudi Arabia, of all things. And the continuing
investigation into Noah’s Ark and these other things that we were trying to get
this out years and years ago. Jim and I were sitting
together and talking with Penny and he said, we were trying
to get this out 20 years ago, this message out, and we’re looking at each
other between the two of us, we’ve got 13 heart bypasses,
and it’s like we didn’t know that was going to take this long and we didn’t want it to take this long, but it’s not our story, it’s
his story that’s being told. And I see with what your crisis of faith and that was the thing
that really impacted me, the crisis of faith, that really is taking you
into the patterns of evidence that you are now showing
to the whole world. And it’s just not two,
it’s not just three, you’ve really got an entire series planned and you’ve been recording
these things for decades now. – Yes, it’s almost 20 years. But part of what happened was, is that you have to, I think, doctors don’t just become a doctor, they have to go through
all sorts of training. And there’s an internship, and I mean, there’s years and years of
education before they practice. And in a way, if I’m gonna be an investigator
filmmaker on these, I’ve had years (chuckling)
and years of training, I’m just starting to practice the right way to deal with patterns. You see, I think the genius
of Patterns of Evidence is its approach, in the sense that it’s the idea that we would say, let’s use a scientific
approach to look for patterns that match the biblical story. And you can find them in archeology, you can find them in
historical record in geography, and you can see these
patterns start shaping, and they testify. What we’re asking is, is there evidence that
God acted in history? And that’s what this is about, did God act in the history of the Exodus, is there evidence for that, is there evidence that God acted in the history
of the writing of the Bible, the Torah, the first five books? Yes, there is an amazing pattern. And so I feel as if that what my role is, is to basically continue
in a very, sort of, I’m surprised by it as well,
because I look at it and go, I’m not sure how we figured this out, we were just more or less led
to these different patterns. And so the next pattern comes up. Is it possible that God can part water? And if so, where did this
happen and can we explain it, and what happened? And so that’s the next
film, Patterns of Evidence, the Red Sea Miracle. So as we look at that, and then Patterns of Evidence:
Journey to Mount Sinai, and then as we continue
to look at these patterns, and you can see they unfold
through the entire Bible as you can see, as the
patterns start to come. Because the pattern is
important, as we said earlier. It’s one thing to find
one piece of information and hang everything on that. But it’s like, putting
together a jigsaw puzzle. Yeah, this little piece fits in here, but nothing else works. But people try to go, well
I’m gonna cut off this piece, we won’t talk about that, and
then we’re gonna go over here and (laughing) it just doesn’t work. – So much of what I see in the production, the different television programs
that talk about the Bible is so much that, they snip off
a piece here, a piece there, and they paste it together. And the people that know a
little bit about the Bible, realize this is ridiculous. This is borderline insanity
to cut a verse here, a verse there and reassemble
it into your own theology, or the same things done
in scientific world is snipping a piece of evidence
here and a piece there, and yet ignoring the
great body of evidence that’s out there. I think you’re giving a
very balanced approach by letting all the skeptics lay it all out give it their best shot. How are you gonna convince us
that the Bible is not real? How are you gonna convince
us that the Hebrew language and no form of it exists
in the time of Moses? Give us your best shot. You give them the best shot. – Because if you look at it, you realize that if I’m
going to give this up, the Bible says that if I’m gonna give
up belief in the Bible, or belief in God, if I’m gonna give this up, you better have good reasons
for me to give it up. I need to understand why you think I should not believe this. And I’m gonna go ahead and investigate it. And that’s what I appreciate. So about, let’s say Ron
Wyatt or the Lennart Mollers, or the Aaron Sens or
the Andrews, you know, they’re basically saying,
okay, I won’t say what I heard, but I’m willing to risk going out there. Now, I’m talking to both
the skeptic, the agnostic, the atheist, and the Bible Explorer, and the conservative biblical people and the Egyptologists people. So I basically decided
everyone’s an opportunity here, because the Bible Explorer that I have, the Exodus explorers, actually I know what it’s like to go into a dangerous situation and search for evidence of the Bible. Some people have never done that and they’re very highly
critical of these other people. They’re just armchair quarterbacks. And so I’m thinking well, it is part of the overall storytelling, the overall story of what’s going on here, they are a part of that. That’s why I’ve opened
this investigation up much larger than, and that’s
why it’s taken longer, because it’s a bigger investigation. And I’m having more clarity
as to how to tell the story. And I find that it works, it works. I had a young man see the test showing and his mother brought him. He is an agnostic and
at the end of the film, he came up to me and he
said, “I’m an agnostic.” I said, “Well, what would
you change about this film?” And he goes, “Nothing, I loved it, “I loved everything about it.” I found out later (snaps
finger) a fire was lit. And he then got the Patterns
of Evidence: The Exodus, he’s had the showings, everything, and he made a huge decision that he was no longer an agnostic. – What would turned the corner for him? Why did he say he loved the way that you presented the whole thing? – I love this–
– That’s an agnostic. – He loved the fact that I included all the other viewpoints because once again, you
see you have to have them in order to have freedom. In other words, if you hold them back, you don’t have the freedom
to make a decision. And as a young man, he
had to make a decision, he had to make a qualified decision. And you know what he
decided, that it was true that this was connected. And that then impacted him. And so he made a decision that he would become a follower of Yeshua. – Well, that’s incredible. This is something that laying it all out, people can make their own decision. You interviewed the
people that were contrary, but that also brought you before some of Israel’s national leaders. And that’s another story in itself. I want you to come back next
week, we’re gonna explore how you got in front
of Benjamin Netanyahu, because that is a story
that needs to be told. Ladies and gentlemen, join us again next week
for Shabbat Night Live. (speaks in foreign language) Have a good week, have a good Sabbath and we’ll see you before the smoke clears. Good night. (gentle music)


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