Pokémon Explained – Shiny Breeding Odds in Pokemon Gold and Silver

Pokémon Explained – Shiny Breeding Odds in Pokemon Gold and Silver


Hey!
I am Daniel and welcome to Pokemon Explained. In this video I am going to explain why you
need, or should very much consider, getting a Male Gyarados at the Lake of Rage in Pokemon
Gold and in Pokemon Silver. This is because having a shiny Pokemon when
breeding in the 2nd generation, it increases the chance of the offspring to be shiny too! There are some pretty hefty mechanics behind
this and I am going to explain most of them with visual examples so that you can breed
some shiny Pokemon in Gold and Silver! What you need to know about shiny Pokemon
in the 2nd generation is that the shininess is determined by a certain combination of
its stats. This was later changed to where there’s now a shiny: true OR false code
instead. Because this is not the case in Pokemon Gold and Silver, let’s have some fun with
it. The details for which stats that are passed
down can be found on Bulbapedia, but as you may see, the description of these mechanics
are pretty hard to understand. I therefore decided to do my best at breaking
this down for you visually. What you need to be aware of, is that it is
the opposite gender offspring that can have the chance of being shiny, in the majority
of cases. The exceptions, other than Ditto, I don’t want to try and explain. If Ditto is shiny, the offspring has a 1/64
chance of being shiny. Therefore a shiny Ditto in Pokemon Gold and Silver is very valuable. If you don’t have a shiny Ditto, and because
getting a shiny Ditto is pretty difficult, we need to find a way to work around that.
Our solution is our Male shiny Gyarados. [Also! an important note here before we proceed
is to check out the Pokemon Explained episode covering Egg Groups, if you don’t know what
those are. You need this for the next part to be understandable]. This visual example shows you the process
of getting a shiny Pokemon in the daycare. You put the Male shiny Gyarados in the daycare.
Because the shininess is passed down to the opposite gender offspring, you can see that
in this example, we would eventually get a shiny female Ekans. Because it’s only 50% females of the 1/64
egg hatches that can be shiny, your odds are ½*1/64=1/128.
What you can now do, is to use the female shiny ekans (and male shiny gyarados) and
hope for a male shiny ekans. The odds of getting a shiny male ekans is 1/128, and if you keep
the male gyarados you also have another 1/128 chance of getting another female shiny ekans.
Maybe you can trade shinies with other Pokemon Trainers? (The odds are now ½*1/64 + ½*1/64
=1/64 odds.) When you then get the shiny male Ekans, what
you have done, is that you have unlocked the Field Egg Group. As you have a Male shiny Pokemon, what you
can now do, is to repeat the process: find a new Pokemon, one that does have two egg
groups. One that you have already, and one that you don’t and so you can work your
way to get a male shiny pokemon in the new egg group also. What I now want from you, is to do some research
and talk in the comments about ways to access new egg groups? What Pokemon do you have to
breed from the Shiny Male Gyarados to unlock new Egg Groups? And I encourage you to trade
some shiny Pokemon with each other! Talk to people in our NPC HQ over at Discord!

62 Comments

  1. SORRY if this was lower quality than you would expect. I've worked for hours now and I really wanted this to be out before the Gold and Silver release. I have tried my best and feel like I failed and I am tired and ready for bed now. I hope the information in this video can be useful.

  2. Alright so I think I figured it out for people. If you don't have a shiny ditto, the shiny male gyarados is the best option. Now I won't get into egg moves because that's pretty complex.

    As mentioned in the video, since Gyarados is in two egg groups, Water 2 and Dragon, it's best to start off with another pokemon of either these two groups. Like the video showed us, let's start off with a Ekans. Get a female Ekans is in the Field and Dragon group. Hopefully you can get a male shiny Ekans since you can branch off to other egg groups. Let's say you do get one, then you can breed with the following pokemon of the field egg group that has 2 egg groups: female Pikachu (unlocks Fairy), female Psyduck (Water 1) and Frafetch'd (Flying). Now you can also unlock the Monster egg group by breeding with the Nidoran lines, but I'm kinda confused on that. Would love if someone could clarify.

    Alright so we have 3 new egg groups, Fairy, Water 1 and Flying. If you were to get a male shiny Pikachu, then you can breed it with a female Hoppip, which would unlock the Grass egg group.

    If you were to have a male shiny Psyduck, then you can breed it with a female Slowpoke or Lapras (unlocks Monster), female Omanyte, Kabuto or Corsala (unlocks Water 3), and Remoraid (unlocks Water 2, though we already had this unlocked with the shiny male Gyarados).

    If you have the male shiny Frafetch'd, then breed with any female pokemon from the flying egg group line (Pidgey, Spearow, Zubat, Doduo,Aerodactyl, Hoothoot, Natu, Murkrow, Skarmory, or Togetic)

    Alright, now we have 4 new egg groups which are Grass, Monster, Water 2 and Water 3. Since you have the shiny male Hoppip, then you can breed it with a female Paras (unlocks Bug). With this new group you can breed with the pokemon such as Caterpie, Weedle, Venonat, Scyther, Pinsir, Ledyba, Spinarak, Yanma, Pineco, Gligar, Shuckle. and Heracross.

    With the shiny male Slowpoke or Lapras you can breed with other female pokemon from the Monster egg group like Cubone, Lickitung, Kangaskhan, Snorlax, Larvitar, Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, Rhyhorn, Chikorita, Totodile, and Mareep.

    Since you have the shiny male Gyarados or Remoraid, you could breed with other Water 2 pokemon like Goldeen,
    Chinchou, and Qwilfish

    The shiny male Omanyte, Kabuto or Corsala from Water 3 would allow you to breed with Tentacool, Shellder, Krabby, and Staryu.

    Forgot to mention the Fairy group pokemon that you're able to breed with since you have the male shiny Pikachu, which are Clefairy, Jigglypuff, Chansey, Togetic, Marill, and Snubbull.

    As for Dragon, with the shiny male Gyrados you can breed with a female Charmander, Horsea, Magikarp, and Dratini.

    Lastly we have the Field egg group, which you can breed with your male shiny shiny Ekans. You can breed it with a female Rattata, Sandshrew, Vulpix, Diglett, Meowth, Mankey, Growlithe, Ponyta, Tauros, Eevee, Cyndaquil, Sentret, Aipom, Girafarig, Dunsparce, Sneasel, Teddiursa, Swinub, Houndour, Phanpy, Stantler, Smeargle, Miltank, Seel, Wooper and Delibird.

    Unfortunately, you cannot breed with any pokemon from the Human-Like, Mineral or Amorphous egg groups. You either have to get a shiny Ditto or soft reset/random encounter for one of those pokemon.

    Hope this helps 🙂

  3. SO quick question, what happesn if you take a female offspring and breed it with the male? Wouldn't the female inherit some of the IVs and have a better chance? Can you even breed an offspring with the original parents?(This is sounding really wrong but it is in the name of shiny hunting)

  4. Wouldn't it be impossible to breed a shiny by having 2 shiny pokemon on the daycare?
    I'm asking this because, according to the mechanics explained on the website, the game checks for the the Def and Sp IV's , if they match or have a gap of 8 then the game identifies them as relatives thus won't allow you to get an egg from them.

    EDIT: The correct way to breed for a shiny male would be breeding the shiny female with a regular male, otherwise you are not going to be able to breed shiny pokemon the way you explained it.

  5. Wait so I still have a good chance at getting a shiny if all I have to breed with is Gyarados? I thought it would be back up to 1/8192! :O (ironically I want a shiny ekans. XD)

  6. GOODNESS I MADE SOME REAL MISTAKES IN BOTH THESE VIDEOS OMG. Gyarados is in the Water 2/Dragon Egg Groups! (thanks to Infisly_ )
    HAVE A LOOK AT THIS VIDEO : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJFkDAHEMUE&t=1s

  7. I started breeding my charizard and shiny gyarados, I'm 108 eggs in with no luck yet. My question is if my gyarados is male and charizard is female. Then my shiny charmander will be female? And if chsrmander only has a 12.5% chance of being female, wouldn't the odds change from 1/128 to 1/512?

  8. What I want to know is if i still have a 1 in 128 odds if i breed a shiny female and a non shiny male of the same species? Does it have to be from a different species for the odds to increase? I recently hatched a shiny female remoraif and have been trying to breed it with a normal male remoraid so i get the eggs from the daycare man quickly.

  9. Shiny hunting a true waste of time.. why go through all the repetitive nonsense for 1000's of hours when you can glitch the shit out of these games using the coin case glitch and turn any pokemon you have into a shiny..
    And when you have a shiny.. so what it's worthless..

  10. There’s a pretty easy way to get a shiny ditto in gen 2 because of the time capsule, guaranteed gyarados with shiny IVs, and the way gen I dittos can copy IVs under certain circumstances

  11. Hey. I have the shiny ditto and have been breeding for WEEKS to get a shiny Nidoran. And it has not shown up yet. Ditto is in the daycare with a female Nidoran. and I have hatched at least 100 eggs. I am having trouble beleiving that this is a 1/64 chance. Could something screwy be happening since Nidoran's gender determines it's species? Seeing as you explained that gender is relevant in the shiny odds.

  12. @nirthpanter Question, Im breeding a Male shiny Gyrados with a female dratini so I should have the 1/64 odds correct? I hatched 50 eggs so far and no shiny dratini, I understand those are just the odds and that I could get it after 64 eggs but Im curious if I just have bud luck haha so Male shiny Gyrados and Female Dratini = 1/64 odds?

  13. I would have to breed shiny gyarados with psyduck or golduck to get a shiny psy or gold. then breed it with totodile or so on

  14. I found a shiny rattata in silver, male and I was trying to breed it with a miltank. That are 100% female. Im not understanding the gender and stats inheritance. Is it impossible or normal odds, of does my shiny rattatta and normal miltank have the super good odds of hatching a shiny miltank?

  15. Trade Gyarados into R/B
    Teach Gyarados Mimic
    Find wild Ditto
    Use Mimic to Learn Transform
    Wait until Ditto uses Transform twice
    Catch Ditto
    Trade Ditto into G/S
    – Congratulations, you no have a Shiny Ditto with "All" Egg Groups!

  16. This comment needs to be pinned! The baby pokemon will always assume the lowest form of the mother's species!! This I why Gyarados needs to be Male! If it is female you can only get shiny magikarps, not a shiny of whatever you breed it with. You need to have a male shiny to get a shiny of another species. PLEASE pin this so others don't have to spend hours researching this like I just did!!!

  17. Oh goodness I found your video! Thank you for explaining this!! I'll finally be able to get a shiny pikachu in crystal. (using the odd egg duplication glitch, I've got shiny elekid, shiny magby and shiny cleffa…. then I messed up the glitch saving too late and must now continue on my jotoh journey. 😛

  18. So…if I had a Shiny Ditto and a regular-colored female Eevee in the Day Care, is the chance for Eevee being Shiny higher for females than for males, since the Shiny Ditto would be the "male" parent? Because you said opposite gender, and Ditto can be treated as either male or female depending on what other Pokémon it's with.

  19. PSA: It's incredibly easy to get a shiny ditto provided you have access to another system with a gen I game on it. Trade your shiny gyrados to gen 1, encounter a ditto, have it transform into the gyrados, and when caught it will be shiny 100% of the time. You want ten shiny dittos to trade with your friends? You got it. Perhaps a hundred so you can GTS your way into a full pokedex? Be my guest. Catching that hundred dittos will still run faster than the average hunt anyways.

  20. I'm assuming the male shiny Gyrados/female non-shiny Ekens works in Crystal (VC) too? I've not particularly had a chance to test it myself.

  21. I’ve got a question;
    So my starter Cyndaquil was shiny and its male. Would this method still work if I were to breed my Cyndaquil with a normal Ditto?

    EDIT:
    Second thought, I could just breed the two for a female Cyndaquil and then breed Shiny Cyndaquil with the Female.

  22. Need your help guys. Recently restarted my game, planning to use a shiny Dragonite. Started breeding for it with the shiny Gyarados as the father but I was sort of disappointed. The eggs take forever to receive, leaving me a lot of the time with no eggs to hatch while waiting for a new egg. Also, Dratini takes over 10,000 steps to hatch so it's not pleasant. Then I wondered if it might be faster to just purchase five Dratinis at a time at the game corner. The odds are much worse but i would be seeing significantly more pokemon. I'm not great with math so if someone here could calculate which method would most likely be more efficient that would be amazing! It takes about 20 min per dratini while breeding – 1/128 odds. It takes about a minute per five dratinis at game corner – full odds (1/8192). I hope someone can help me!!!

  23. Can a Shiny Male Gyarados and a Female Eevee breed? And if they can, is it a 1/64 chance to get Shiny Male Eevee and a 1/128 chance of getting Shiny Female? Eevee

  24. While trying to hatch my first water 1 shiny, I hatched a female, none-shiny, dratini from a female shiny dragonair and a male, none-shiny blastoise. If what you're saying in this video is true then I literally have no idea how I just did what I just did.

  25. This video is partially true, if you catch a shiny male gyrados and breed it with a ekans like the video says and hatch a female Ekans(opposite gender of the shiny), that female ekans will be a shiny carrier and have the same % to make a shiny as gyrados thats because. That pokemon will carry the fathers DVs which in gen 2 determinds shinyness, and the reason that ekans isnt shiny is because for W/E reason in gen 2 all hidden power dragon also determinds shinyness

  26. Is it possible to do full odds for a shiny via breeding? I had someone say only the mr. Pokémon Togepi egg works with full odds

  27. bro i have a question if i have a shiny male quilava with a normal female farfetch, which are my odds?, because i have that quilava by SR and i want a shiny farfetch but i dont know if i have a chance of getting it, and yes they are giving me eggs.

  28. Paths for every possible egg group. Please tell me if any paths are faster. I think these are the best possible. All of these Pokemon are obtainable in all 3 GSC games.

    For dragon – Gyarados

    For monster – Gyarados, Ekans, Nidoran

    For field – Gyarados, Ekans

    For water 1 – Gyarados, Horsea

    For water 2 – Gyarados

    For water 3 – Gyarados, Horsea, Corsola

    For grass – Gyarados, Ekans, Pikachu, Hoppip

    For flying – Gyarados, Ekans, Pikachu, Togetic

    For bug – Gyarados, Ekans, Pikachu, Hoppip, Paras

    For fairy – Gyarados, Ekans, Pikachu

    UNOBTAINABLE – amorphous, human-like, mineral

    Odd Egg shinies can get you through these paths faster. Pichu can skip to field and fairy, Cleffa and Igglybuff can skip to fairy, and Tyrogue, Smoochum, Elekid, and Magby can get you to human-like, which is impossible otherwise.

    Egg group source used – http://www.psypokes.com/gsc/breeding.php

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