The Horrifying Murders of the Zodiac Killer

The Horrifying Murders of the Zodiac Killer


– This week on BuzzFeed
Unsolved we’re covering the Zodiac Killer. Right now we are at the scene
of his first crime which, at the time, seemed like a good idea, but now that we’re here,
it’s fucking pitch black. This is a horrible idea so
let’s just get this over with. – Sounds good, let’s do it. – [Voiceover] So, in the
late 60s and early 70s, the Zodiac Killer terrorized
Northern California. Killing at least five people
and claiming to have killed 37 people in total. – [Voiceover] 37? – [Voiceover] He claims
to have killed 37 people. – [Voiceover] Like, he wrote a note? – Yeah, he was a, he was a douche bag. On December 20, 1968 around
11 PM near Vallejo, California 17 year old David Faraday and
16 year old Betty Lou Jensen were shot and killed while
sitting in a parked car in a gravel parking area
off of Lake Herman Road. In the exact spot we
are sitting right now. – The exact spot, like right here? – Like right here. – Its’ just the wind. – Yes, right here. (yells)
– It’s the wind! – You’re not freaked
out a little right now? – What the fuck, dude? – It’s the wind. You don’t want me, we
can close the windows. – Yeah, let’s close the
windows, fuck this shit. – If anything, though, it
would make it somewhat easier to hear footsteps that sneak up on us. – Fuck, you’re right,
let’s open the windows. (laughing) By the time police arrived,
Betty was found dead on the ground 30 feet away from the car, but David was still alive. However, David would die
on the way to the hospital. At this time, nobody knew
that this was the work of a serial killer. – [Voiceover] Oh, ’cause
it was the first murder? – ‘Cause it was the first time. Can we leave now? – Should I grab the camera? – What is wrong with you? Are you really not scared right now? – Why? Why on earth? – [Voiceover] ‘Cause look
where the fuck we are, dude. Look where the fuck we are. There’s nothing around! – Have you never been in the
middle of nowhere before? – [Voiceover] No, I am freaking out! Look at this shit, where
the fuck are we right now? There’s two of us out here
and who knows what the fuck is out in that darkness. Not down to find out. Call me a wiener, whatever, I don’t care. The Zodiac’s next crime
would occur on July 4, 1969 at around midnight near
Blue Rock Springs Park, only a few minutes away
from the previous crime. The Zodiac approached a
parked car with a flashlight, shooting 22 year old Darlene
Ferrin and 19 year old Michael Mageau before
walking away and coming back to shoot them both again. Both were still alive when found, but only Mageau would survive. Mageau was able to make out the
face of the man who shot him and described him as a young
white man, approximately 26 to 30 years old, stocky,
200 pounds or larger, about five foot eight with
light brown curly hair, and a large face. Within an hour, the police
received a phone call from somebody claiming to be the shooter. He also claimed to be the
shooter in the Lake Herman Road murders. Happened right around here. The parking lot was probably
empty just like this. I don’t like the way this feels either. – I mean, it’s eerie
’cause it’s night time, but if I was here during the day, it wouldn’t feel weird at all. Right behind you is a
freaking kiosk that says, “Parking fees are free today.” Like, that’s not a scary sight. – I guess. On August 1, 1969 the
San Francisco Chronicle, the San Francisco Examiner
and the Vallejo Times Harold all received identical hand
written letters from someone claiming to be the killer. The letters revealed specific
details about the murders to prove that the writer
was in fact the killer. The letters were signed
with a distinct mark, a circle with a cross through
it, the mark that would eventually become known as
the mark of the Zodiac Killer. Also included in the letters
were three different codes that the Zodiac demanded
be printed in newspapers or else he would kill again. – [Voiceover] Why did they print them? – [Voiceover] Because he said
if they didn’t print them, he would kill more. – [Voiceover] That just creates
fear and gives the killer what they want. – [Voiceover] But at the same
time, I wouldn’t want death on my hands either. – [Voiceover] It’s not your
hand, you’re not killing anybody that guy is killing someone. – [Voiceover] True. – [Voiceover] You not printing
something has nothing to do with whether or not someone
is going to kill someone. – [Voiceover] The Zodiac
claimed that the cracked codes would reveal his identity. On August 4, another letter
was received that started with the phrase, “This is the Zodiac speaking.” Marking the first time the
killer referred to himself as the Zodiac. On August 8, 1969 the code
was cracked by a couple in Salinas, CA. It reads, “I like killing
because it is so much fun, “it is more fun than killing
wild game in the forest “because man is the most
dangerous animal of all to kill. “Something gives me the
most thrilling experience, “it is even better than getting
your rocks off with a girl. “The best part of it is that when I die, “I will be reborn in paradise
and those I have killed will “become my slaves. “I will not give you my
name because you will try to “slow down or stop my collecting
off slaves for afterlife.” – [Voiceover] Since when
do you get to keep slaves in the afterlife when you kill someone? – [Voiceover] Well, apparently
that’s common knowledge in crazy town. Also, this dude must’ve skipped
class the day they taught run on sentences because
that shit was ridiculous. – [Voiceover] Also this guy
sounds like, just the biggest bro douche ever, right? Killing is better than getting
my nuts off with a girl? Like, shut up. – [Voiceover] On September
27, 1969 in Napa, California 22 year old Cecelia Shepard
and 20 year old Bryan Hartnell were picnicking on the shore
of Lake Berryessa when Cecelia saw a man hiding behind a
nearby tree and staring at her. After some time, the man
came out from behind the tree wearing an executioner
style hood over his head with the Zodiac Killer
symbol on his chest. He had a gun and a long
knife and used pre-cut rope to tie up Cecelia and Bryan
before stabbing them repeatedly. Cecelia died at the hospital,
but Bryan Hartnell would survive, despite being
stabbed six times in the back. Bryan Hartnell described the
man as being five foot eight to six feet tall, heavy set,
weighing about 225 to 250 pounds with dark brown hair
that he saw through the eye holes in the mask. A message was found on
the side of Bryan’s car with the Zodiac sign, the
dates of all three killings, and the words, “by knife”
written below the September 27th date. – [Voiceover] What did he
use to write on the car? – [Voiceover] Just a little
black paint, you know? Maybe he went to Joan’s
Crafts and supplies. – [Voiceover] Right, Michaels. – [Voiceover] Michaels,
he went to Michaels. On October 11, 1969 just
before 10 PM in San Francisco, California at the intersection
of Washington and Cherry a cab driver Paul Stine
was shot in the head by his passenger. A teenage girl from her
home across the street heard the shot along with two
other witnesses in her home and got a good look at the
man as he wiped down the car and walked away. They called the police and
described the man as a white male between 25 to 30 years old. Five foot eight to five foot nine tall, stocky, with a reddish-brown
crew cut and heavy rimmed glasses. A police car that was nearby
came quickly to the scene, but the chaos of the situation
would strangely result in the police dispatcher
incorrectly identifying the suspect as an African American male. (laughter) – [Voiceover] Classic! Way to go, fucking San Francisco police. – [Voiceover] Yeah. – [Voiceover] Are you kidding me? – [Voiceover] Yeah, when
I saw that I was like, “God damn it.” – [Voiceover] Oh my lord. – [Voiceover] That incorrect
identification would prove to have disastrous consequences. The police car driven
by officer Don Fouke and Eric Zelms would come upon
a white male walking on the sidewalk described by officer
Fouke as five foot 10, 170 pounds, about 40 years
old, wearing glasses with reddish hair and a crew cut. Very similar to the description
offered by the teenage girl. However, because they were
looking for an African-American male, Fouke and Zelms left the man alone. Watching him disappear
into (mumbles) park. Brutal right? Right now we’re coming up
to where the two officers allegedly saw the Zodiac. They turned left onto Jackson right here. And they saw a white
guy walking right here. So the officers think he
walked down to the park, entered through here, and
that’s where they lost him. The Zodiac would later
comment on this interaction in a later letter in detail. Making it very likely that
Fouke and Zelms came into contact with that nation’s
most notorious serial killer at the time without even knowing it. A composite sketch would
be drawn based on the two descriptions that would
later become part of a famous wanted poster. – [Voiceover] Is this the
Ted Cruz wanted poster? – [Voiceover] Yeah, it is. – [Voiceover] It is the one
that everyone looks like Ted Cruz. – [Voiceover] Regardless, the
theory is ridiculous because Ted Cruz wasn’t even alive
when the Zodiac was killing people. Case closed, it wasn’t Ted
Cruz unless he’s a fucking time traveler. – [Voiceover] Unless he changed
his birth certificate, man. Remember how obsessed about
Obama’s birth certificate they were? I want to see Ted Cruz’s
real birth certificate is all I’m saying. – [Voiceover] Another crucial
piece of evidence was a bloody finger print discovered in the cab. However, the Zodiac also
claims in a letter that it was planted by him to throw
the cops off his trail. Two days later the San
Francisco Chronicle gets another letter that claims responsibility
for the cab driver, Paul Stine’s murder, and
includes a piece of Stine’s blood stained shirt. Even more horrifying, the
letter also included quote, “School children make nice targets, “I think I shall wipe out
a school bus some morning. “Just shoot out the front tire
and then pick off the kiddies “as they come bouncing out.” End quote. He also later included
diagrams of bombs that could be used on buses. – [Voiceover] Where is he
dropping these letters off? How does he get these
letters to the press? – [Voiceover] I don’t know. Also, like the image of the
Zodiac sitting down in his little desk getting his, like, pen ready– – [Voiceover] I mean he
does seem like he’d be into calligraphy. – [Voiceover] Maybe. – [Voiceover] This guy
seems crazy enough that he’s got a fucking quill pen. – [Voiceover] He has
a letter-writing desk. – [Voiceover] What’s the
name they call letter-writing desks? – [Voiceover] Oh fuck, I don’t– – [Voiceover] There’s a specific name. – [Voiceover] After this,
a Zodiac task force was created so that multiple
departments could share info. On April 20, 1970 a letter to
the San Francisco Chronicle included a cipher with the
sentence “my name is” blank. Which would later become
a point of contention in potential suspects. The Zodiac would continue
to send letters before stopping in 1971. Only to send his last letter
in 1974 where he claims to have killed 37 people and
bizarrely reviews his viewing of The Exorcist, which he called, quote, the best satirical comedy that
I have ever seen, end quote. – [Voiceover] What? This guy. – [Voiceover] I can’t imagine
why he felt the need to write a Rotten Tomatoes review
in his last letter, but– – [Voiceover] Because he had no friends, the only people he could
talk to were the press and the police. – [Voiceover] Do you think he
would be a frequency Yelper today if he were still alive? – [Voiceover] Oh, he’d
definitely be a fucking one star Yelper. – [Voiceover] Skipping forward,
in 2002 the San Francisco police department was able
to extract a partial genetic profile from a Zodiac letter
from the saliva on the stamp. The profile was not enough
to conclusively identify a single person, but enough
to eliminate potential suspects. And with that, let’s take
a look at the suspects with the most circumstantial
evidence against them. The first theory is from Gary
Steward who believes that his father, Earl Van Best
Jr. was the Zodiac killer. Gary Steward published a book
called the Most Dangerous Animal of All that presents this theory. Earl Van Best Jr bares
and uncanny resemblance to the composite sketch
from the Paul Stine killing. His name also matches the
number of characters in the my name is cipher. Finally, Stewart says a
handwriting expert is virtually certain that Best’s handwriting
on his marriage license matches the writing of the Zodiac killer. Now, here are reasons why
Best may not be the Zodiac. According to an administrator
at the church where Best’s marriage certificate came
from, the handwriting is that of the priest and not Best
himself, making the match that was virtually certain
implicate the priest rather than Best. – [Voiceover] Where do you
even go to get handwriting, like, certification skills? Probably from the fucking
University of Phoenix. – [Voiceover] Oh shit! What did the University
of Phoenix do to you? – [Voiceover] They’re
like a for-profit college. – [Voiceover] Are they? Furthermore, Best only
matches the description of the Zodiac at the Paul Stine
killing, but not the heavy set large-faced description of
the Zodiac in the previous three killings. Gary Steward also tried to
test his father’s DNA against the recovered 2002 Zodiac
DNA, but investigators never complied with their reason
being not enough evidence to make a case. Gary Stewart has maintained
this is a police cover up. – [Voiceover] Number, why did
they say there was not enough evidence to comply? – [Voiceover] Yeah, why not
just test against the DNA though? – [Voiceover] Yeah, does
it like cost money or like, what’s the reason not– – [Voiceover] Maybe that DNA
lab is super popping, like, they just had no time
for theoretical tests. The second and most famous
theory is from Robert Graysmith who believes that Arthur Leigh
Allen is the Zodiac Killer. This theory is the basis for
the 2007 film, The Zodiac, starring Jake Gyllenhaal
as Robert Graysmith. – [Voiceover] Who is that? Internet sleuth? Like us? – [Voiceover] He’s definitely
more credentialed than us. – [Voiceover] Okay. He has a card. (laughter) – [Voiceover] Actually, Robert
Graysmith was a political cartoonist at the San
Francisco Chronicle that became obsessed with finding the Zodiac. After a decade of personal
research, Graysmith wrote two books entitled Zodiac and
Zodiac Unmasked that heavily implicate Arthur Leigh
Allen as the Zodiac. Here’s Graysmith’s case
for Arthur Leigh Allen. The day of the third Zodiac
attack at Lake Berryessa in 1969, Allen told his family
he was going scuba diving at Lake Berryessa. Later that evening, he would
come home covered in blood with a bloody knife in his car. And if you’ll recall, the
Zodiac murdered Cecilia Shepard that day with a knife. Two years later in 1971
one of Allen’s friends, Don Cheney said that Allen
called himself the Zodiac before the killer publicly
referred to himself as the Zodiac. – [Voiceover] Wait, wait, wait, wait. So, he literally called
himself “the Zodiac”? – [Voiceover] I guess, that’s true. – [Voiceover] Hey Ryan, call
me the Zodiac from now on, that’s my nickname. – [Voiceover] How do you even
work that into a conversation? – [Voiceover] I know, right? – [Voiceover] The only time
I can think of is when you go bowling and you write your
name on like the frames. Write your name as the Zodiac. – [Voiceover] Right. – [Voiceover] And then
your friends will be like, “Who the fuck wrote their
name as the Zodiac?” Could you imagine if he’s like
super douchey about it too? Like, he won’t respond
unless you call him Zodiac. They’re like, “Arthur you wanna go out?” He’d be like, “That’s not my name.” (heavy sigh) – [Voiceover] Ugh! – [Voiceover] “Okay, Zodiac
do you want to go out?” Okay. Cheney also said Allen told
him he was planning to hunt people with a gun and a
flashlight tied to it. – [Voiceover] What? You tell your friend that. – [Voiceover] I know. – [Voiceover] He just
laughs, says, “Oh, Zodiac, “You’re such a funny guy.” – [Voiceover] You’re such a trickster! As a result of this information,
the police would interview Allen a second time where
Allen would say his favorite book is The Most Dangerous Game. A book about a man who hunted humans. And a book referenced by the
Zodiac in his first letter to the press. To add insult to injury, Allen
was also wearing a Zodiac brand watch which
contained the same symbol the killer used. The police searched Allen’s
trailer home where they found small dissected animals in
a freezer, bloody knives, and sexual devices, but no
direct evidence of the murders. – [Voiceover] That’s a weird
thing to keep in your freezer. Cut up animals and sexual devices? – [Voiceover] Oh no, the
sexual devices weren’t in the freezer, that would be weird. No one wants a frosty
dildo inserted into them. In 1974 Allen was convicted
of child molestation, a crime for which he
spent three years in jail. Coincidentally, during
this time no Zodiac letters were received. In 1987 a San Jose jail
inmate named Ralph Spinelli told police that Allen admitted
to him that he murdered Paul Stine. In August 1991, Vallejo
detective George Bawart interviews Mike Mageau,
the man who survived the second Zodiac attack and
saw the Zodiac without his mask on. When shown a lineup of
photographs Mageau picked out the man who shot him, it
was Arthur Leigh Allen. – [Voiceover] What? – [Voiceover] With this info,
the police search Allen’s home again and this time
they find formulas for bombs, constructed bombs, and tapes
about the Zodiac killer. They interview Allen again
and he says he knows nothing. – [Voiceover] Wait, wait,
wait, they found bombs and/or plans for bombs in his
house and they don’t, they’re not able to detain him? – [Voiceover] The Zodiac
put diagrams of bombs in his fucking letters. – [Voiceover] Right, and he
talked about putting bombs on children’s school bus and
this guy molested a kid. – [Voiceover] And there was
fucking tapes about the Zodiac killer, this guy’s reliving
his greatest hits at home via audio book? What the fuck? – [Voiceover] He just a
said what? “Plead the fifth” at this point? – [Voiceover] One year
later in August 1992, Allen is found at home dead
from a suspected heart attack. And with that, let’s transition
into reasons why Allen may not be the Zodiac killer. Allen’s DNA was compared
against the 2002 DNA extracted from stamp saliva on a Zodiac letter, it was not a match. However, it’s also believed
that Allen had a habit for letting others lick his
stamps instead of him, which would explain why the
profile didn’t match him. – [Voiceover] But I don’t
even like thinking that this guy was smart enough to think that. – [Voiceover] In my opinion,
that’s an Olympic level stretch. Additionally, in 1971
the police took Allen’s finger prints, but the prints
did not match the bloody prints recovered from the
Paul Stine crime scene. They also had Allen undergo
handwriting analysis, but the handwriting did not
match the Zodiac either. Allen also does not look
like the sketch from the Paul Stine killing in the
slightest, but it’s worth mentioning that Arthur
Leigh Allen was considered the prime suspect for the
Zodiac for most involved police departments and
is widely believed to be the Zodiac. The third theory is from
retired Escalon, California police officer, Harvey Hines
who believes Lawrence Kaye, more commonly known by
the surname Kane was the Zodiac killer. Kane was involved in a car
accident in 1962 which resulted in brain damage influencing his behavior. One psychologist claimed Kane was quote, “Losing the ability to
control self-gratification,” end quote. Additionally, Kane can
be see in the Zodiac’s “my name is” cipher. And in that cipher there
are three eights with circles around them,
three times eight is 24 and Kane was born in 1924. – [Voiceover] Okay, that
means nothing to me. – [Voiceover] Yeah, I didn’t
think you would like that one. – [Voiceover] Well, I mean,
it’s just like reaching at straws at that point. – [Voiceover] Additionally,
the Zodiac’s second victim, Darlene Ferrin had a sister
who said Kane was the man who followed and harassed
Darlene in the weeks leading up to Darlene’s murder. In the 1969 Paul Stine murder,
the man suspected to be the Zodiac seen by officer
Don Fouke was described as 35 to 45 years old. Kane was 45 in 1969. Officer Don Fouke said in
1987 that of the hundreds of pictures over the past 20
years he had been shown, Kane was quote, “The closest
of them as he remembered “the killer.” End quote. Kane also lived a six minutes
walk away from Mason and Geary, the location where cab
driver, Paul Stine was thought to have picked up his killer. In fact, an excerpt from
Vallejo PD states, quote, “Investigation has placed
Kaye in the locales where “several of the Zodiac’s
victims either lived or were “killed,” end quote. To piggy back on that
sentiment, in 1970 Kane moved to South Lake Tahoe and that
year a possible Zodiac victim that I didn’t discuss
earlier named Donna Lass disappears in South Lake Tahoe. Donna Lass also coincidentally
worked at the same South Lake Tahoe hotel as Kane. – [Voiceover] That’s crazy. – [Voiceover] But the last
and arguably most damning evidence Kane is about
another Zodiac interaction I haven’t discussed yet. On the night of March
22, 1970 on highway 132 near Patterson, California,
Kathleen Johns and her baby were tricked into
riding in the Zodiac’s car. After entering the car, the
Zodiac told Johns that he was going to kill her and
throw her baby out after her. As the Zodiac was about to make
a turn, Johns jumped out of the car and ran into a nearby
field with her baby and escaped. Despite some believing this
is an unconfirmed Zodiac encounter, others believe a
letter confirms this incident. Quote, “So I now have a
little list, starting with the “woman plus her baby that I
gave a rather interesting ride.” End quote. The reason I bring this
encounter up is because Kathleen Johns, unlike most
surviving Zodiac victims, had extended face time with the Zodiac. This is important because
when shown a line up of photographs, Kathleen
Johns was reportedly able to pick out the man who tried to kill her. It was Lawrence Kane. – [Voiceover] I mean, that’s
some pretty strong evidence. – [Voiceover] But now let’s
look at some evidence that proves Kane isn’t the Zodiac. I couldn’t find an instance
of a DNA test against the recovered 2002 sample, nor
could I find a record of Kane’s fingerprint being
tested against the fingerprint found at the Paul Stine crime scene. Furthermore, Kane’s
handwriting was not a match to the Zodiac’s, but also
could not be ruled out. Additionally, Kane, much
like Earl Van Best Jr., matches the description of
the killer at the Paul Stine murder scene, but does not
match the large heavyset description of the Zodiac in
the first three crime scenes. Now that you’ve heard all the stories, who do you think did it? – I think those two at the
end are the most plausible. But I think the real answer
would have to be there was one person and then a copycat, as well. – It’s possible, in my mind,
Arthur Leigh Allen was the killer for the first three, stopped, and then Lawrence Kane
took over as a copycat. – Oh, well then yeah. – It seems like to me
he wanted to get caught, he was like asking to get caught almost. – He was playing that line. He was tired with like,
“Oh, I’ve killed someone and “gotten away with it,” he’s
like, “How far can I push it, “that line?” – That’s true, yeah. Regardless, the case remains unsolved. And probably will stay
unsolved, unfortunately. – Trying to find this crime scene. No idea where the hell
we’re going right now. Do you keep getting hit by
spiky things in your socks? – No. – Calling all people right to us. – Seriously, dude, let’s
fucking just clap a little bit louder. This week on Buzzfeed
Unsolved, did you see that fucking shadow? – No, there’s no shadow. – That, for sure you heard that. Fuck you, you heard that for sure, right? (laughing) You fucking for sure
heard that shit, right? – There’s nothing, Ryan! – Is the back door open? – Our headlights are on. – We’re on the side of a
gravel road in the middle of the fucking night. – I heard crickets chirping and frogs. – Let’s just fucking skedaddle on home. – Statistically speaking,
though, we’re probably super safe right now. Did the killer live around here? We’re right in the middle of this farm. Is this like his farm? Is he like no trespassers. – We’re not doing this
right now, we’re going home. We’ll be safe, I’m not died. – Alright, Buzzfeed Unsolved, I’m cutting. (mysterious music)

100 Comments

  1. I find it so weird that no one seems to question why the killer did what he did, or why he wrote to the police, or even why he referred to himself as the 'Zodiac'.
    Of course there are things that we may never understand about the motives of these kinds of people, but still it's important to take into account why they're killing, as it plays a big part into the psychological profile of the killer.
    The letters sent by the alleged killer definitely show that he is disassociating from his own identity by creating a separate one- that being the Zodiac. Like Son of Sam, the Zodiac could have had trauma in his past that could play into a desire for attention and a need to separate from oneself.

  2. I think Kane and Allen both did the murders together.
    Just a thought, two muderers makes killing 37 people go by faster and less of a load for one.

  3. A frozen dildo is called a Frosty Jim… 😂🤣😂
    Kane looks likes the description of the killer…
    I still think it’s Ted Cruz though…

  4. I have a theory that the zodiac killer is all three of them because all of them together would make every piece of evidence against one of them so it could have been all three pretending to be the same person

  5. What about if everyone is looking at the wrong questions?.
    What about if was not only one person but more acting as one profile?
    The 2 guys match about the letters and description, did anyone investigateif they knew each other? NO! they did not.

  6. It actually sounds like there were three killers and I'm not surprised, the Zodiac made it that way by making it a public game. People aren't trying to figure out who the killer or killers are, they're trying to figure out who wrote the letters.

  7. Why does Kane look like Travis Alexander (the guy who had the photo of him taken in he shower right before he was murdered)

  8. 19:04 so the two officers from the stein murder and the mother all identified Kane as the man? That’s important because these people had better and longer looks at his face than anyone else the victim of the shooting who identified Allen could’ve easily been wrong and just caught in the confusion but if you put a beard on Kane he looks similar to the picture of Allen showed I think that’s important to note also

  9. what if the zodiac was a team of men, because they all have bits and pieces of the killer- the handwriting, the face, the tendencies, the weapons, etc.

  10. Am I the only one here thinking that there is a big chance he is still alive till today? He is among us? And he is in his 70's maybe?

  11. Everyone else: ooh spooky, zodiac killer
    Me: Actually THERE IS A SPECIFIC NAME FOR LETTER WRITING DESKS! Even SEVERAL! It's called a BUREAU, SECRETARY or SECRETAIRE. Y'all are spreading some fake vocabulary news out here (**heavy sarcasm**)

  12. 11:23 DNA testing is so expensive now, imagine back then. Not to mention that they didn't have a good amount from the killer to start with, they'd have to preform a process to make more and idek if that existed during those times. (Yes I took the forensics class for fun)

  13. As much as I love Ryan and Shane, this will always be my favorite episode because it introduced me to BuzzFeed Unsolved and always makes me laugh out loud.

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